Jocko Willink

Jocko Willink Skit By Captain Sinbad (Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkR5EdT5LKk)

Jocko Willink is an extremely successful author & entrepreneur who gives big hope to veterans and young people around the world. But not everything is perfect and Jocko is not an exception.

*Watches Jocko Willink Once* – YouTube

I have immense respect for the military personnel who protect the American citizens from the likes of terrorists & tyrannical countries. However, some people tend to use their military badges to market themselves and scam people.

Jocko is not one of them.

After watching hours upon hours of The Jocko Podcast, and reading Extreme Ownership, I realized some major flaws in Mr. Willink’s advice and philosophy. And no one has talked about it!

People point out the major flaws in David Goggins’ way of life, people have criticized Jordan Peterson’s philosophies and ideas, but no one points out the semi-toxic ways of Jocko.

In this post, I’ll cover how Jocko’s advice is not for most people and how he has masterfully made a cult-like following. We’ll also take a look at some interesting findings of Willink.

John Gretton Willink, or more commonly known as Jocko Willink, is an ex-Navy SEAL turned entrepreneur. He served the military during the war in Iraq, as the commander of the SEAL Team 3 (Task Unit Bruiser). The battle took place in Ramadi. Jocko received a Bronze Star & the Silver Star for his service and he achieved the Lieutenant Commander rank.

Jocko had an excellent career in the military and we salute him for his service to the nation, however, this is not the highlight of Mr. Willink’s career.

Even though I highly doubt that anyone reading this post doesn’t know who Jocko is, I’ve still added this section for context for the 1% that don’t.

Jocko & Friends in Navy SEAL

Like every other Navy SEAL, Jocko went through the BUD/S (Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL training) as well. Jocko often mentions that BUD/S is not a highlight of a SEAL’s career or training and has an open bias towards SEALS who have gone through a deployment.

He was part of BUD/S class 177 and is reported to be one of the best performers of his class. After completing the STT (SEAL Tactical Training) and his 6-month probationary period, Jocko received the “NEC 5326” (Combatant Swimmer) and was given the SEAL insignia to wear.

Mr. Willink has given 8 years of his life to military service. He was enlisted with SEAL Team ONE and SEAL Team TWO.

Jocko later became a mustang via Officer Candidate School and with his newfound expertise and experience, he became a platoon commander. He has been deployed to the Middle East, Europe, and even Asia.

The highlight of his military career was the vital role he played in Operation Iraqi Freedom. He deployed to the city of Ramadi in ’06 as the commander of Task Unit Bruiser which consisted of amazing personnel like Chris Kyle, Jonny Kim, Michael Monsoor, Marc Alan Lee, and Kevin Lacz.

He has even served as an instructor for the Navy SEAL.

John Gretton “Jocko” Willink retired on October 2010.

Business Endevours

Soon after retirement, Jocko Willink and his SEAL buddy Leif Babin, launched Echelon Front, a leadership consulting firm. The firm was a success as Mr. Willink has a striking personality, backed by two decades of experience in the military. Echelon Front works with corporations and businesses, and help the upper management become better leaders.

He also has a weekly podcast, “The Jocko Podcast”, which is very popular among young people. Apart from this, Jocko is also an instructor at Victory MMA & Fitness, where he teaches jiu-jitsu. Jocko is also the co-owner of Origin USA, which sells various products ranging from fitness equipment, nutrition supplements, and apparel.

Don’t get me wrong, I used to be a big fan of Jocko until I started noticing how people are self-sabotaging their lives because of him.

While there are people who have lost weight or improved their career with extreme ownership, most people are actively making life worse for themselves and here’s why:

Extreme Ownership makes people hopeless and cynical.

What Jocko doesn’t understand is that people have different personalities, temperaments, and experiences. Taking “extreme ownership” leads to severe depression and regret most people.

When you try to find reasons to blame yourself for everything wrong going on in your life, relationship, health, etc., and you are not a strong-willed person like Jocko, you are bound to get depressed or become delusional.

The idea of Extreme Ownership is simply brilliant, but it is only suited for individuals with very high-stress tolerance. For example, a Navy SEAL or a Wall Street broker in the 80s. This principle does not apply to everyone even though Jocko and his team keep saying it can.

Finding things you can improve in each mistake you make is an essential part of growing as a person, but there’s a limit of how many things a person can improve without feeling like the worst pile of garbage to walk the face of the earth. That’s just how our minds work.

Jocko is an extremely disciplined and genetically gifted person. I think we all can agree on that. And that’s exactly why the extreme ownership concept works so well for him, he can actually implement it without burning out. But the chances are most of the people who follow Jocko are not as gifted as he is. And his followers need to realize that.

Here’s the paradox which most Jocko fans get into:

“I cannot get confident (i.e. competent) without taking extreme ownership, but I feel like a total loser when I look at all the things going wrong in my life and I’m responsible for all of them”

Everyone has a distinct personality and stress-tolerance, which is the result of various factors including childhood trauma, financial condition, personality type, IQ, social intelligence, etc. And for the best life possible, you should try to find ways to do the hard things in a way that you like.

Let me elaborate, if you hate writing essays then the Jocko advice would be to, “Get after it and get it done!”, (you probably read that in Jocko’s voice), however, the optimal advice would be to find different ways you can start writing the essay. For example, try putting a timer of 1 minute and only write for 1 minute, but if you feel like continuing, feel free to do so. Or use the classic Pomodoro Technique of working for 25 minutes and resting for 5. These are time tested methods that will help you become a person who can then start having extreme ownership.

What 99% of Jocko’s followers do is that they go straight ahead and start looking for ways to find blame. They blame themselves if they were procrastinating instead of working, they blame themselves if their boss treats them horribly or doesn’t pay on time. Now, there is always blame to accept, but explicitly accepting blame for every action or mistake takes a big toll on your self-esteem. And unless you have god-like self-confidence like Jocko, you will eventually fail and get depressed.

Jocko’s philosophy has helped big corporations and it worked wonders for his platoon in Ramadi, Iraq. But that’s mostly because both such workplaces attract/require/hire people with a very high-stress tolerance. and self-confidence. With high self-confidence, there comes narcissism which is what extreme ownership helps solve. It forces humility and it counteracts the narcissism which results in better efficiency.

I’m not saying you shouldn’t follow Jocko’s Extreme Ownership if it works for you. But if it is not, then please don’t blame yourself for it. It is a shame that Jocko has not talked about this topic but it most likely because Echo is a bootlicker and is often shut up by Jocko’s intensity during Q&A sessions.

Jocko thinks extreme ownership works for everyone because it did for him and his specific clients. But he never factors in how the mind of a metropolitan work, because he has simply no experience working with them. He just gives a scripted speech and teaches pre-written material to the employees of the company which hire him. He has only worked with people of military or/and sports background so we shouldn’t blame him for this lack of awareness. Though Jocko should take extreme ownership of this fact. Right?

David Goggins’ Can’t Hurt Me also presents a similar issue, but David’s philosophy is much more extreme and brutal than Jocko’s. I’ll cover Mr. Goggins next week, so stay tuned for that.

Jocko Doesn’t Believe In Masks For COVID-19

Jocko Willink standing beside 70 year old veteran without any mask or social distancing

This is not clickbait, Jocko doesn’t practice wearing a mask or social distancing for that matter.

Jocko brought a 70-year-old S.Vietnamese SOG soldier, John Stryker Meyer (or Cowboy), on The Jocko Podcast episode number 258. After the podcast, he took a photo with Mr. Meyer, and as you can see in the screenshot below, he is neither wearing a mask nor practicing social distancing.

Unlike Joe Rogan who tests everyone present in the podcast for Covid-19 before the meeting, Jocko has not mentioned anywhere whether he tests his guests and his staff at all. This is quite concerning as it is a weekly podcast and he often invites guests from different states. Jocko soon tested positive for Covid-19 as well, which makes it very likely that Mr. Khahn Doan contracted the virus from Jocko or from someone at the podcast.

Jocko did feel guilty for his carelessness and shared the link of the donation page of “Cowboy”, where he donated $2,000 himself and the total contribution was a whopping $33,873. And this is why I love Jocko, he might be a little narcissistic, but he walks his talk.

Jocko's tweet for crowdfunding

Although, people were concerned about the co-relation of the timing of the report, and the podcast, Jocko never addressed this incident further.

People worried about cowboy

I don’t think that wearing a mask and social distancing should be a political issue, it is for the safety & security of our loved ones. As an influencer, I think Jocko should’ve been more precautionary and he should’ve at least wore a mask.

I’m not the only one that feels that way. On the Jocko Podcast subreddit, Jocko fans were discussing this incident and it seems that they didn’t like Jocko’s no-mask socialization as well.

Jocko's followers agitated
People discussing Jocko's irresponsible behavior

However, criticizing Jocko Willink on the internet is a sin for which you are punished by vague rationalizations by his fan base. Even on this post, there will be dozens of people trying to defend Jocko’s ideology and actions, simply because he is their idol. The fanboys quickly told the commenter that “Cowboy” has stated that he contracted the COVID-19 from a different social event. And without any skepticism, Jocko fans accepted this fact.

But let’s think about it for a second. Jocko basically gave ~$33,000 to this man’s family and an insane amount of exposure through the podcast, so it would’ve been just horrible to ruin Jocko’s perfect reputation by stating that he was the reason Cowboy contracted the virus.

It just makes sense that “Cowboy” wouldn’t want Jocko’s brand to be hampered, after all, Jocko helped him out financially and emotionally.

The truth is harsh, but we shouldn’t be oblivious to it. Jocko isn’t perfect and he has a lot of skeletons in his closet. I and many other people have suffered because of this dogma and I only want to help in sorting out this issue.

Jocko Supports The Iraq War

There have been conflicting opinions on the Iraq war and the participation of the United States in it. The citizens of the US were not happy with the decision and they have their reasons for it.

In a podcast with the Zen atheist Sam Harris himself, Jocko shared opinions about the Iraq war. I would let you guys be the judge here and decide for yourselves. I’m only highlighting it because this is something that Jocko’s fan base is not really aware of while it is an important piece of information. Here’s the snippet:

I don’t think my opinion matters in this case as it is quite a sensitive subject to talk about. So I apologize for not sharing an opinion on it, I hope you understand.

Jocko Willink David Goggins Twitter conversation

This is probably one of the most commonly asked questions:

“Why doesn’t Jocko bring David to his podcast?”

And the simple answer is: They don’t agree with each other ideology.

This is funny because both of their fanbases overlap a lot, especially when it comes to the 20 somethings. Jocko has actually talked about David a number of times, but people still speculate whether David & Jocko hate each other or something. So here’s the whole ordeal:

In 2019, when asked whether he is “ok with David Goggins”, Jocko used a doublespeak maneuver and said, “Yeah, He’s a great athlete.”

Jocko Goggins Tweet

Do you notice what’s wrong with Jocko’s statement? I’ll give you a few seconds to figure it out.

Bam, time out. Here’s what’s goign on.

Jocko didn’t address David as a vet or an ex-military guy, instead, he mentioned him as a “great athlete”. He has never addressed David as a SEAL and it is simply because he does not respect David Goggins for any of his military service. He always addresses him as an athlete or a beast. Here’s another instance where he mentioned Goggins:

Jocko worked with Goggins

Don’t get me wrong. He does not hate David at all, he just doesn’t like the way Goggins handled himself during his military service.

While David is all about PT and “callusing his mind”, Jocko is about teamwork. Both of which are polar opposites in the context of a SEAL team. There has also been a lot of controversy about David abusing his title of being a SEAL to get into races, but that’s for another day.

It is not about BUD/S

Many people think that Jocko avoids Goggins because of his exaggeration of BUD/S, but that might not be the case.

David went through BUD/S, three times in a row shortly after losing 100 lbs. in 90 days. So his body was already extremely fatigued and injured. Add the insanity of David’s treatment towards his physical self, and you get unnecessary injuries on top of unnecessary injuries. Whereas Jocko passed through BUD/S in his first attempt. So it is kind of unfair to compare their experiences at BUD/S. However, without explicit confirmation from Jocko, nothing can be said for sure.

Overall, we shouldn’t expect Jocko to bring David on his podcast anytime soon. I do think that Jocko will happily invite David when David starts promoting his next book. Because after all, David has a much bigger fan base than Jocko Willink, Goggins’ Joe Rogan podcast has 5.7 million views, and as a capitalist businessman, he probably wouldn’t want to miss out on that opportunity.

Jocko Might Be A Closeted Trump Supporter

In an interview/podcast with Dave Rubin, Jocko was asked what he thinks about Donald Trump as a leader. Being the clever guy he is, Jocko answered the question in such a way that doesn’t put him in any spotlight from the right or the left. His answer was:

“From a leadership perspective, I think Trump is an interesting characteristic of some really broad extremes. So does things, that I say, ‘Good move’. And literally, 20 minutes later, I’ll be thinking to myself, ‘How can you even, think to yourself this is a decent thing to do?’ And by that I mean, jumping out on Twitter, and criticizing some individual human being or celebrity.”

At first glance, there seems to be nothing wrong with the statement. But the devil is in the details.

Jocko praises Trump as a good leader and his best criticism of Trump is for his derogatory tweets. Really Jocko? Do you think that’s the thing wrong with Trump? Not the leadership? Has he not taken any bad political decisions?

Every time Jocko mentions Trump, he praises him, and right after that, he says something bad about him to cancel out the whole statement. But he never criticizes Trump’s political statements or the actions he took as the President.

Here’s the interesting part, Jocko and Leif heavily criticize Obama’s actions in their book Extreme Ownership, but none of them ever even mention their honest thoughts on Trump’s presidency. Doesn’t that indicate something? Wouldn’t it be better if Jocko took some ownership of his political standings instead of evading questions? What do you guys think?

Jocko’s statements on Trump and Obama clearly reflect his bias towards Right-Wing ideas.

Another evidence of his right-wing pro ideology is the shows he goes on to.

He has appeared on The Ben Shapiro Show, Fox News, Sam Harris’ Podcast, and The Rubin Report. All of these mediums are either heavily right-wing or right-leaning. So it seems to me that Jocko Willink is a right-wing supporter.

It might be shocking for some people and obvious for others, but I think the evidence is pretty clear and we should accept it as a fact. Mr. Willink will never address this publicly because he wants to avoid backlash.

A few other people have also noticed the speech patterns and decipherd Willink’s vague statements. And they landed on the same conclusion. Just look at teh comments on this Jocko Willink Joe Rogan podcast clip:

It is obvious that he is a Republican MAGA guy. But he hides it from everyone with a pile of lies and word salad.

Mr. Willink also has his own supplement line called “Jocko Fuel”. It includes supplements like protein powder, pre-workouts, post-workouts, and white tea. I’ve tried almost all the supplements which the guy sells cause I wanted to support Jocko and cause I’m an idiot.

The supplements are overpriced in my opinion, especially Molk (the protein powder), it does taste good but boy oh boy the price. There are better options for a protein powder available in the market which are used by professionals.

The one supplement which I still use today is Jocko White Tea. It is simply fabulous and it gives me energy for the day. My lifts have gone up and I feel better with a cup of white tea.

The Jocko Go drinks are overrated and there are way better options available in the market. Jocko spends a lot of money in promoting the drink probably because it is a high-margin high-yield product that can generate a lot of profit. You’ll see promotions of the Jocko Go a lot because of this reason.

I’m not the only one who isn’t a fan of Jocko’s Supplements. Here’s a Reddit thread about the same topic:

Jocko Supplement Reviews & Complaints
Jocko Supplement Reviews By Users & Customers

If you have tried any of Jocko’s products they definitely share your review. It’ll be interesting to see if a supplement works wonders for someone and horribly for another.

I have mixed feelings about the apparel Jocko sells.

On one hand you have crazy good t-shirts like these:

The Good Jocko Apparel

And on another, you’ll look like a walking billboard:

I mean… who would actually “buy” a t-shirt which is just an ad for a supplement? Actually Jocko stans might wear that one.

I have bought the “Get After It” & “Jocko Willink Good” t-shirts. They are not bad surprisinlgy. It is good quality material for the price. Although the graphics or design is not out of the world, I think it is more about the feeling of being part of an exclusive group.

Jocko also sells jeans through his company Origin USA. Not the PC makers by the way.

The jeans are basically overpriced adn their main selling point is, “It is not made in China”.

Jocko Jeans is overpriced

Don’t waste your money on the jeans. It will take ages for you to receive the jeans and it has nothing special about it.

I recommend going for $150 jeans that you can buy from a good showroom. Those last longer and feel much more premium than Jocko Jeans.

This section seems out of place with the rest of the post but here’s why I added it:

I had experience with Jocko’s supplements and apparel, if my experience can help someone decide whether Jocko’s white tea is good for them or not, then it’s worth it. I wouldn’t have bought the Molk protein powder if I had known it was just overpriced protein powder with nothing special in it. H

Let The Flood Gates Open…

I hope this post helped you clarify somethings and misconception about Jocko Willink. I’m a big fan of the guy but he needs to be more vocal about the errors in his philosophy. People are going into depression and becoming nihilistic because of going cold-turkey, failing, and starting the cycle all over again until they quit all together.

There are much healthier ways to get better in life. Seek therapy, talk to your loved ones, meditate, avoid toxic people, read. Books like Atomic Habits By James Clear and Hyperfocus By Chris Bailey are excellent resources for people who are seeking to improve their lives.

Jocko also needs to stop trying to hide his obvious bias towards the right-wing. This is often very misleading for his followers and fans who are curious about his opinions on recent incidents. But in the end it is his personal business whether he wants to stop lying about his political standings or not.

I hope you understand the points I present in this piece and if you disagree, then please share your counter arguments and opinions. An open discussion about such topics is really important and I think talking about our disagreements and agreements will be a step forward.

Disclaimer (Please Read This Before Commenting)

I originally started this post to help my fellow Jocko fans see the actual downsides of Jocko’s philosophy, however I kept finding more facts and news to cover. It all ended up making this post much bigger than I expected it to become.

I shared the facts and opinions of Jocko Willink here because Jocko himself is extremely dodgy when it comes to politics. He avoids it at all costs. But I saw many people trying to find where Jocko stands on certain things. So I did the digging and got the answers.

Please refrain from name-calling or insults in the comments. I want this post to be a helpful resource for the “Get After It” community, not some random rant. But it is a free country, so all I can do is request politeness.

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Misleading Youngsters

The Extreme Ownership method of Jocko Willink is ineffective in the long run for most people. It can lead to severe depression and toxicity among youngsters. Jocko doesn't wear masks or practice social distancing and his irresponsible behavior almost cost a 70-year-old vet, his life. He's also a closeted Trump supporter who evades important political queries with word salad and doublespeak. Overall, he is not the perfect guy I thought he was and you should be careful in following his advice.

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PROS
  • Genuinely wants to help people
  • Amazing leader
  • Entertaining Podcast
  • Jocko White Tea is very effective
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  • Doesn't wear masks
  • Evades political questions while supports Trump & Iraq War
  • Sells overpriced supplements
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    I don’t consume his supplements and I can’t talk about his political stands because i’m brazilian. Jocko is helping me a lot, I almost killed myself 3 times after my ex wife cheated on me after working my ass off during 8 years non-stop to give her the best life I could. In this proccess I got fat and sick… after the cheating I was convinced that my life was over. Now, I lost +100kgs just listening Jocko, Goggins and Peterson. They are my heroes.

    However: the thing I don’t like about Jocko is the fact everything is JiuJitsu. Had a break up? JiuJitsu! Your car is broken? JiuJitsu. Your dog died? JiuJitsu. I understand the warrior mentality but that is too much. Also, its getting too commercial. And I don’t really enjoy Echo Charles…

    + PROS: - Vet; - Good content; - Help you to stay on track; - Teach discipline like no other;
    - CONS: - Everything is solved with JiuJitsu; - Too much "businessman"; - Echo Charles is annoying!
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    This post is absolute dog shit. Did you really say that being accountable makes people depressed? That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard in my life. Everyone I know that has read this book has improved their life, because they are more in control of their life due to increased productivity. It’s also a really stupid thing to gripe about him not wearing a mask when you probably don’t sanitize your keys, phone, wallet, cards, etc. etc. then rub your dirty ass hands all over everything, effectively cross contaminating everything you touch. Wear your mask, get your vaccine, and shut the fuck up. Let people live their lives the way they want to and stop trying to use the government to force your scientific determinism religion on everyone else. There is a reason people take his advice and not yours. There is a reason businesses use his books and employ his company. Stop being a miserable cunt and do something better with your life. Goodness, you liberal plantation mentality assholes will find ANYTHING to be negative about. Piss off.

    + PROS: Jocko changed my life.
    - CONS: Zero.
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    All of these people who support this anti-masker don’t realise that Jocko is a businessman. He only cares about his company, Echelon Front and wants to promote its services. I don’t think he would care if you started waking up at 4 in the morning and exercised daily. The only thing that guy cares about is how many companies hire Echelon Front. Sometimes people can be so dense, it’s really infuriating.

    - CONS: Doesn't wear masks Puts other people's lives at risk
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  4. The post misses the mark in that Jocko doesn’t just say, “state that it’s your fault” or “take the blame” for everything going wrong. He wants people to own it and find a solution. Just saying it’s your fault and not coming up with a solution is not ownership and it shouldn’t even take a “Jocko” to tell you that concept. So when you start off and say (in summary) people that aren’t strong willed won’t benefit, it’s because you’re presenting the concept of just saying it’s your fault and leaving it at that. There is no productivity because nothing is still getting done aside from lamenting that it’s “all my fault.” Really, when you think of it, if you’re not providing a solution, you’re complaining, and that’s not taking ownership at all. It is definitely okay to criticize a person for sure, but the concept in its entirety is solid. Jocko’s products? Wildly expensive for what you’re buying but we live in a country where you can market anything for any price and if somebody is willing to pay it, that’s what it’s worth. As far as COVID testing for being on his podcast? If the guest complained that there wasn’t any testing or lamented about a lack of testing before appearing, he didn’t have to go on the podcast to begin with. We get to choose where we go. He did too. He could’ve said no. Also, it’s not against the law to be an extreme supporter of either political entity and deeming somebody as evil/wrong/or otherwise for leaning one direction or the other is not only asinine but shows a complete lack of understanding of how free will and the right to choose works not only in this country, but for other countries and places where that’s common place…you know…common place to have your own opinion, be potentially wrong, and have a discussion about why you might be wrong, instead of just lambasting others and stating that your view is correct solely because it came out of your mouth, fingertips on a keyboard, or otherwise. Yet here we are, writing an article like all the answers are from your breath and they’re correct. Oh, and yeah, if you’re a big fat failure at life, it’s exactly your fault. Nobody else’s and it will always be your fault.

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    Why would that guy wear a mask and protect other people’s lives? He was in the army, those guys are trained to kill smh.

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    Jealousy runs deep.

    + PROS: Awesome
    - CONS: N/A
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    I agree with most of the points laid out in the article. Although I support most of what Jocko says, I have to say that being insensitive towards other people’s health is not something I expected from him. It was really disappointing to find out that he could be so careless about others as a veteran. Really disappointing.

    Wear masks people! It isn’t hard!

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  8. This is one of the dumbest cringiest things I’ve ever read and I’m a libral.

    • Maybe your reading skills are just as good as your writing skills. Learn to spell “liberal” first then say something.

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    He belongs to the very same category of people who were responsible for the Capitol attacks. And the comment section for this post just reminds me of the tyranny we have been facing for the past 4 years.

    He is a textbook case of a white supermacist. I know I’m speaking into a void here but sometimes you have to raise your voice against the evil. These people don’t realise what kind of ignorance they are spreading. They live in hate and they think it’s okay to judge people based on their race, gender, and whatnot.

    Maybe if these people walked out of their cozy castles of hate, they will see the world in a different light. And maybe then they will realise what lunacy they were promoting all this time.

    - CONS: racist white supermacist hateful bigot
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    So I agree that some people can’t go from 0 to 100 like you seem to interpret Jockos self improvement philosophy to be. But it seems to me he speaks about focusing on areas that need improving, and progressively working to simply … improve. It doesn’t always have to be pedal to the floor full speed ahead progress.

    This article makes it seem like Jocko is saying if you want to get better at oushuos you’d best do 1,000 on day one, and just tough through the pain and “get it done”.

    The way I interpret much of what I hear from the man is just the ideal of setting a goal and actively, aggressively pursuing it. The idea of “extreme ownership” causing depression is very odd to me. I WANT to own my failures. That is what makes us grow and improve. Are you depressed because you don’t want to acknowledge failures in your life, or the implication that you could be better than you are currently? This sort of has the opposite effect on me. It spurs me to want to improve. It doesn’t have to weight you down and depress you unless you let it do so. And all this said, there are certainly many things outside of our control. We progress with the cards dealt to us. Some things may be beyond our ability to improve sometimes. Does this mean we just, give up or stop looking to grow?

    What is your alternative suggestion exactly. I can’t really back the critique I’ve read in this article. You made some points. But most in my opinion lack context or just assumed the absolute most extreme possible definition for what Jocko made have said without leaving room for gray areas or alternative interpretation.

    I do agree with you that the mask issue should not be political. It should be scientific. And the science suggests the Covid virus lives on surfaces long after an infected walks by and contaminates it. Going to Walmart with a mask would put that veteran at far greater risk than not wearing one in studio with Jocko. Especially considering the clothe masks are scientifically known not to do much to prevent the disease spread. It becomes political because people want to feel like they are in control of Covid by wearing cloth on their faces, but we aren’t in control here.

    Tell me, is it in a liberal debate handbook somewhere to immediately go for personal attacks when you’re trying to intellectually dissect a person’s opinions and views? Trying to discredit Jocko based on a single mask wearing incident, or who he voted for as president? Maybe take your own advice and avoid making things political. Or avoid trying to write pseudo-intellectual articles in the future.

    + PROS: Article author tried to make some valid points.
    - CONS: Turned an intellectual critique of philosophy and world-view into a politically charged personal attack designed to discredit.
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    Half the country voted for Trump. So you saying Jocko supporting Trump is a bad thing, you are, in fact, insulting half of the country. Anyone who listens to and follows Jocko and didn’t know his political leanings, has a pretty clear detachment. I listened to him for maybe 10 episodes and knew he was an American. A REAL American. Not a communist like the new “Democratic” party. I think it would benefit you and your readers to research your own party and how you’ve been influenced by the communist party.
    Get after it.

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    The idea of extreme ownership is the taking of responsibility for your action and choices. The example of an unfair boss that doesn’t pay you would never be your own fault. However, your choice in how you deal with and respond to the situation is. If the idea that ones choices and actions have consequences drives someone into the trendy world of “depression and toxicity”, then maybe it should! If holding oneself to a high standard “ruins someone’s life” because of some litany of excuses they want to throw out is detrimental to them, perhaps they need to come to the stark realization that we still live in a country where you have choices and can be responsible for your own outcome.

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    It’s people like this guy that have caused the deaths of so many people. What’s wrong with wearing a simple mask? He seems like the usual Trump supporter you’d see on the street. I think if he had gotten the chance, he would have joined those lunatics on Capital Hill too.

    He and all of his friend are murderers. Period.

    - CONS: Risking the lives of everyone around them for a minor inconvenience Supports a fascist
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    You did a good job giving credence to both sides of the issue. I respect that you didn’t just write a slam piece about Jocko but instead pointed out the good and the bad. That balance is something that’s been sorely missing in reporting, where most of the time articles are completely one sided. Please listen to a couple full episodes of his podcast, and you might see a different side of him than you will find on the short clips. There are many times someone will write in with a question and I expect Jocko to answer with a “suck it up, don’t be weak, get after it” type answer, but instead he says something much more thoughtful and reserved, encouraging the listener to step back and take a break. He has addressed the dark side of extreme ownership in multiple episodes and admitted that he wrote The Dichotomy of Leadership because so many people were taking extreme ownership out of context, in many of the ways you described. When I left the military it took a long time for the intensity to wind down and be a “normal” civilian, and I’ve seen Jocko go through the same changes over the years. As for his politics, being on the right is not a crime, nor is being private about your political views. It wasn’t too long ago that it was considered bad manners to bring up politics and religion and most people kept it to themselves. If he sells overpriced supplements and clothing as a way to support the podcast and continue helping young men take responsibility for themselves instead of wallowing in self pity, I have no issue with that but I think it’s good that you pointed out the dangers of falling into a cult-like worship of people like Jocko and Goggins and how it’s easy to throw money at someone you idolize. Your article is an opinion piece, and while I disagree with some of your points due to having seen more sides of Jocko than the average listener to his podcast, I respect you for the fairness of your opinion. Keep up the good writing!

    + PROS: Fair
    - CONS: Surface level, politically motivated
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  15. This post is filled with conjecture & projection. What a weak hit piece against a great American. You’re essentially advocating for the weakness within the minds of Americans. Ownership & personal accountability is your saving grace in life. What a lackluster hit piece against someone who put his life on the line while you sit back and bitch about the tough realities of life. Way to promote and insinuate that most people are living worse lives because someone finally told them to sack up. Hope you enjoyed your participation trophy… Here’s a thought? Think his stuff is overpriced, don’t buy it. Don’t like his opinions or advice? Don’t listen to it. Want a military man to be more political so that you can easily typecast his character? Sorry pal, Jocko and people alike don’t navigate their lives based on the opinions and assertions of fools like you. Way to discredit the American dream and spread the negativity you imply you’re above. LOSER

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    You’re a bitch.

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  17. “He DoEsNt WeAr A mAsK aNd HeS a TrUmP sUpPoRtEr.” Geez, get off your high horse. Pathetic review of Jocko and a waste of my time you political hack.

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    Geez,
    Your post was cringeworthy to discredit jocko. I like the guy and I think his methods are not for everyone however adults should be able to make that decision for themselves.

    So what he’s a trump supporter that’s kinda a gimme but only children judge others off there political beliefs.

    Didn’t wear a mask……..well neither did the other guy so toughen up. 90% of people in my town don’t and we aren’t all dead, we also aren’t locked down. Sorry but someone lied to you.

    + PROS: Jocko is right. Yes he is intense
    - CONS: Hard to swallow if your not self confident. Sucks to suck
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  19. Your entitled to your opinion but not your own facts. I think you forgot to mention that with this sideswipe attempt at discrediting Jocko. As a current member of the Armed forces (27 years) I can safely say that Jocko’s leadership philosophy is not for everyone. But that is not to say it doesn’t work for most. If your a victim of the future then nothing will help, well maybe prayer.

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    Big fan of Jocko. I don’t really like him not taking hard political positions. He’s respected by so many he could influence people politically to do the right thing in plain simple man english. Instead he’s politcally correct. Not sure he’s looked at war in a clear light imho too. Other than those two points he’s absolutely unequivocally awesome.

    Jocko Molk is no ordinary protein powder. However, you’ve got to be a meat head bro sicentist whose tried many other to tell this has a little something truly special. I bought chocoloate pb, vanilla gorilla and mint. Love them all.

    I look forward to buying his other American made products made the old fashioned way. You get what you pay for including employed Americans for a nice society.

    + PROS: Everything
    - CONS: Political Correctness. Too quick to draw.
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  21. I’m going to be honest I never thought about the “bad aspect” of extreme ownership. I hope people see through their bias towards Jocko and actually understand what this post is trying to convey.

    Even if Jocko supports Trump, I think it is his personal business, not ours.

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    I love drinking Jocko White Tea. It is freaking insane. I’m not gonna go over the whole political thing but you are right about the supplements.

    I have tired them all and yes, White Tea is the only one that I still take.

    Molk tastes good but the pricing is bad imo. And Jocko GO is just not worth it.

    Good analysis mate.

    + PROS: I recommend White Tea
    - CONS: Rest supplements aren't as good
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    I think you have gone to deep.

    I am sure if you reviewed anyone in the whole world you could list their problems, and are far to critical of jocko’s ideals.

    The basic idea of extreme ownership is a very healthy and refreshing way to live your life. (Obviously this can become overwhelming if you obsess and blame yourself for everything)

    I actually like how jocko does not use this platform to push his political stance, and if you don’t want his stuff just don’t buy it hey!

    + PROS: Good to critically analyse. However
    - CONS: Misses the whole point of ideas of extreme ownership
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    I don’t care about his political stands, but he should’ve worn a mask in that instance. It is just wrong that he didn’t even address the people who questioned his behavior.

    + PROS: Everything else
    - CONS: He'll spread Covid19 this way
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    Does he still support Trump? After the Capitol Hill incident? If yes, then he truly is brainwashed by the right wing propaganda.

    + PROS: Best podcast after Joe Rogan Experience
    - CONS: MAGA
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    Woah. I had no idea Jocko was part of the MAGA cult. Well it’s not a surprise to me. No one is perfect. But it’s still a bummer.

    + PROS: Great great guy
    - CONS: Hmm idk
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    Stop, just stop. I love Jocko’s podcast. He has helped me transform me from a whiney kid to a Marine. I listened to his podcasts day and night while I got after it in the gym. Even if he supports Trump, he is an amazing human being.

    + PROS: Changed my life
    - CONS: Not for complainers
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  28. DOESN’T WEAR MASKS..
    THAT’S A CON?
    THIS IS A DEMOCRAT MSM ARTICLE.
    YOUR A PAID SHILL
    OBAMA IS GAY
    MICHELLE IS A MAN

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    Define Projection…
    This is the problem with liberals.
    Ie. You

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